Comments on: Thinking Deeply With Kevin DeYoung: Can God Know Everything and Still Give Us Free Will? http://transformedbygrace.com/2009/11/thinking-deeply-with-kevin-deyoung-can-god-know-everything-and-still-give-us-free-will/ A Christ-Centered Blog Focusing on Biblical Theology, Christian Doctrine, and Current Events Thu, 05 Jan 2012 18:22:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: R.A. Servin http://transformedbygrace.com/2009/11/thinking-deeply-with-kevin-deyoung-can-god-know-everything-and-still-give-us-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-156 R.A. Servin Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:32:31 +0000 http://transformedbygrace.com/?p=677#comment-156 Ladd, after responding to your comment I suddenly realized that you were actually responding to Kevin Jacksons comment! Doh! Sorry about that! :-P Ladd, after responding to your comment I suddenly realized that you were actually responding to Kevin Jacksons comment! Doh! Sorry about that! :-P

]]> By: R.A. Servin http://transformedbygrace.com/2009/11/thinking-deeply-with-kevin-deyoung-can-god-know-everything-and-still-give-us-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-154 R.A. Servin Thu, 19 Nov 2009 08:09:08 +0000 http://transformedbygrace.com/?p=677#comment-154 Kevin, Thanks for your comment! But are you serious? Have you taken the time to think about what you said here? Of course future events depend on God's knowledge of them... how do you think prophesy works? He wasn't foretelling the Jews in the OT that Jesus would come in the future because He wanted to show off His intellectual ability to know what has going to happen... as if it were going to happen by chance! He was letting them know that Jesus was coming because it was His pre-arranged plan from before the foundation of the world. Acts 4:27,28. So you're saying that God is the great reactor?? What kind of God is that? Kevin,

Thanks for your comment! But are you serious? Have you taken the time to think about what you said here? Of course future events depend on God’s knowledge of them… how do you think prophesy works? He wasn’t foretelling the Jews in the OT that Jesus would come in the future because He wanted to show off His intellectual ability to know what has going to happen… as if it were going to happen by chance! He was letting them know that Jesus was coming because it was His pre-arranged plan from before the foundation of the world. Acts 4:27,28.
So you’re saying that God is the great reactor?? What kind of God is that?

]]> By: R.A. Servin http://transformedbygrace.com/2009/11/thinking-deeply-with-kevin-deyoung-can-god-know-everything-and-still-give-us-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-153 R.A. Servin Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:59:54 +0000 http://transformedbygrace.com/?p=677#comment-153 Ladd, I'm not Kevin DeYoung and I'm not even gonna try to be, this was actually a repost of what he wrote on his blog. But I will attempt to answer your question as I would answer it. :) God is omniscient, He knows the end from the beginning. He is the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega. Rev. 1:8, 21:6, 22:13 God knows the future because He has planned it. Nothing comes to pass that He didn't foreordain or know would happen. (Not strictly in a intellectual sense.) If there were alternative roads or endings and things could have happened another way then God would cease to be God and we would then become ultimately self-determining or autonomous. It's either His way or our way, and we all know how that pans out. We know that God is not surprised by anything as He knows all. So you're right when you say that if anything were to change, His foreknowledge would be inaccurate... and the implications of that are severe. A working definition of the future as God knows it is that from all eternity God predetermined everything, the creation, the fall, redemption of His chosen people through the slaughter of His Son, calling, justification, glorification of His saints... everything. Consider the following: "In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will" Ephesians 1:11 ESV He works ALL things according to His will. Hope this helps, Roger Ladd,

I’m not Kevin DeYoung and I’m not even gonna try to be, this was actually a repost of what he wrote on his blog. But I will attempt to answer your question as I would answer it. :)
God is omniscient, He knows the end from the beginning. He is the first and the last, the Alpha and the Omega. Rev. 1:8, 21:6, 22:13
God knows the future because He has planned it. Nothing comes to pass that He didn’t foreordain or know would happen. (Not strictly in a intellectual sense.) If there were alternative roads or endings and things could have happened another way then God would cease to be God and we would then become ultimately self-determining or autonomous. It’s either His way or our way, and we all know how that pans out. We know that God is not surprised by anything as He knows all. So you’re right when you say that if anything were to change, His foreknowledge would be inaccurate… and the implications of that are severe.
A working definition of the future as God knows it is that from all eternity God predetermined everything, the creation, the fall, redemption of His chosen people through the slaughter of His Son, calling, justification, glorification of His saints… everything. Consider the following: “In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will” Ephesians 1:11 ESV He works ALL things according to His will.

Hope this helps,

Roger

]]> By: Ladd http://transformedbygrace.com/2009/11/thinking-deeply-with-kevin-deyoung-can-god-know-everything-and-still-give-us-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-119 Ladd Tue, 17 Nov 2009 03:54:43 +0000 http://transformedbygrace.com/?p=677#comment-119 Hi Kevin, I love your deep thinking. I was wondering if you have a description of God's omniscience. He knows the future, but what does that mean? Is this one of God's attributes? I did read your thoughts about how God has no past or future so maybe this question is inappropriate, but . . . do you understrand that for something to be known, it must be fixed, unchangeable. Is that your impression? If anything were to change, the foreknowledge would have been inaccurate. So, what do you think is a definition of the future that God knows Thanks, Ladd Hi Kevin, I love your deep thinking. I was wondering if you have a description of God’s omniscience. He knows the future, but what does that mean? Is this one of God’s attributes? I did read your thoughts about how God has no past or future so maybe this question is inappropriate, but . . .
do you understrand that for something to be known, it must be fixed, unchangeable. Is that your impression? If anything were to change, the foreknowledge would have been inaccurate. So, what do you think is a definition of the future that God knows
Thanks,
Ladd

]]> By: Kevin Jackson http://transformedbygrace.com/2009/11/thinking-deeply-with-kevin-deyoung-can-god-know-everything-and-still-give-us-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-118 Kevin Jackson Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:22:51 +0000 http://transformedbygrace.com/?p=677#comment-118 I disagree that certainty equals necessity. Foreknowledge makes an even certain, but it does not make it necessary. A future event does not depend on God's knowledge of it, rather God has knowledge because the event will occur. If we were to do something else, God would know something else. God knows the future because he knows what we will do, and we choose what we will do (the power of contrary choice). I disagree that certainty equals necessity. Foreknowledge makes an even certain, but it does not make it necessary. A future event does not depend on God’s knowledge of it, rather God has knowledge because the event will occur. If we were to do something else, God would know something else. God knows the future because he knows what we will do, and we choose what we will do (the power of contrary choice).

]]> By: Kenny http://transformedbygrace.com/2009/11/thinking-deeply-with-kevin-deyoung-can-god-know-everything-and-still-give-us-free-will/comment-page-1/#comment-114 Kenny Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:11:47 +0000 http://transformedbygrace.com/?p=677#comment-114 Calvinists believe in free will, just not the traditional definition of free will. We freely choose within God's sovereign will. It's free and ours. Calvinists believe in free will, just not the traditional definition of free will. We freely choose within God’s sovereign will. It’s free and ours.

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