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		<title>By: baby blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Linkathon 2009: The year in links, part 2 (plus Linkathon 12/30)</title>
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		<dc:creator>baby blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Linkathon 2009: The year in links, part 2 (plus Linkathon 12/30)</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] From Roger Servin&#039;s blog: Roger Olson challenges Calvinists (a Shack-type novel from someone like Piper would &quot;go far tow.... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://transformedbygrace.com/2009/10/roger-olson-challenges-calvinists/comment-page-1/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 06:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original question makes assumptions about man deserving &quot;good&quot; (good as defined by humanism.)  The reality is that God could justly execute all of us since each sin is cosmic treason (and we are sinners from the womb).  We have no defense.  Even Christians would be justly condemned temporally.  The real question is, &quot;Why does anything good happen.&quot;  The answer is God&#039;s grace and mercy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original question makes assumptions about man deserving &#8220;good&#8221; (good as defined by humanism.)  The reality is that God could justly execute all of us since each sin is cosmic treason (and we are sinners from the womb).  We have no defense.  Even Christians would be justly condemned temporally.  The real question is, &#8220;Why does anything good happen.&#8221;  The answer is God&#8217;s grace and mercy.</p>
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		<title>By: R.A. Servin</title>
		<link>http://transformedbygrace.com/2009/10/roger-olson-challenges-calvinists/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>R.A. Servin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 14:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl, I totally agree with you brother.  I think it&#039;s a testament to the man-centeredness of all of us to think that it&#039;s all about us and that God is obligated to give us what we need and want.  It is true that everything we receive from this merciful God is a testament to His benevolent grace.  

&lt;em&gt;O God, help us to realize that we are but dust and deserve absolutely nothing from You!  Grant us according to Your mercy, grace, and lovingkindness as You will.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, I totally agree with you brother.  I think it&#8217;s a testament to the man-centeredness of all of us to think that it&#8217;s all about us and that God is obligated to give us what we need and want.  It is true that everything we receive from this merciful God is a testament to His benevolent grace.  </p>
<p><em>O God, help us to realize that we are but dust and deserve absolutely nothing from You!  Grant us according to Your mercy, grace, and lovingkindness as You will.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Carl Gobelman</title>
		<link>http://transformedbygrace.com/2009/10/roger-olson-challenges-calvinists/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Gobelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,

I think Hays offers a stinging critique of Olsen&#039;s argument.  As I often like to say regarding questions of theodicy, we were made for God&#039;s glory, not the other way around.  Much of the hand-wringing over the &#039;problem of evil&#039; comes from a worldview that sees humanity as the pinnacle and purpose of creation; i.e., a very humanistic point of view.  This POV completely ignores that God is sovereign and that we are sinful.  Each and every sin we commit is an act of cosmic treason against a holy God and punishable by death.  The fact that we&#039;re still breathing is a testament to God&#039;s infinite grace!  We&#039;re all going to die in one manner or another; whether it&#039;s quietly through old age or brutally through great violence, the end result is the same -- we die.  As Jesus himself said, &quot;Unless you repent, you too will likewise perish&quot; (Luke 13).  That may be cold and it may be heartless, but it&#039;s the truth; and our displeasure with the truth (yours, mine or Brian&#039;s, the author of the previous comment) in no way alters its truthfulness.</description>
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<p>I think Hays offers a stinging critique of Olsen&#8217;s argument.  As I often like to say regarding questions of theodicy, we were made for God&#8217;s glory, not the other way around.  Much of the hand-wringing over the &#8216;problem of evil&#8217; comes from a worldview that sees humanity as the pinnacle and purpose of creation; i.e., a very humanistic point of view.  This POV completely ignores that God is sovereign and that we are sinful.  Each and every sin we commit is an act of cosmic treason against a holy God and punishable by death.  The fact that we&#8217;re still breathing is a testament to God&#8217;s infinite grace!  We&#8217;re all going to die in one manner or another; whether it&#8217;s quietly through old age or brutally through great violence, the end result is the same &#8212; we die.  As Jesus himself said, &#8220;Unless you repent, you too will likewise perish&#8221; (Luke 13).  That may be cold and it may be heartless, but it&#8217;s the truth; and our displeasure with the truth (yours, mine or Brian&#8217;s, the author of the previous comment) in no way alters its truthfulness.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://transformedbygrace.com/2009/10/roger-olson-challenges-calvinists/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies Mr. Hays my words were harsh, but to be honest, I cant stand your view, my reaction is emotional, based on many personal experiences. I understand a true follower of the Lord should not lean on such things like experiences. But I cant stand that view of God, I really cant. But I do apologize for my harshness. It is not my place to challenge your growing up, if the admin sees fit, please delete that part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies Mr. Hays my words were harsh, but to be honest, I cant stand your view, my reaction is emotional, based on many personal experiences. I understand a true follower of the Lord should not lean on such things like experiences. But I cant stand that view of God, I really cant. But I do apologize for my harshness. It is not my place to challenge your growing up, if the admin sees fit, please delete that part.</p>
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		<title>By: brian</title>
		<link>http://transformedbygrace.com/2009/10/roger-olson-challenges-calvinists/comment-page-1/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If that’s too much for you to stomach, then you might as well become an atheist. You can sit there on your pink cloud, with your can of air freshener, and rue the terrible things you see below–or else you can agree with God’s way of doing things, and learn to see the hidden wisdom of his ways.&quot; 

Now this is the evangelical faith I remember, if you cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Dying child, get over it, move on from your emotionalistic tripe, God does not want to hear it, God wants the apologetic, move on, deal with it, get over it. In the real world people do not deal with loss or pain like this, neither does God, but He needs to pony up and become a good evangelical to. Truly Mr Hays the real world does not work like this, the adult world does not work like this. We are an old earth, that struggles with much. Basically Grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If that’s too much for you to stomach, then you might as well become an atheist. You can sit there on your pink cloud, with your can of air freshener, and rue the terrible things you see below–or else you can agree with God’s way of doing things, and learn to see the hidden wisdom of his ways.&#8221; </p>
<p>Now this is the evangelical faith I remember, if you cant stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Dying child, get over it, move on from your emotionalistic tripe, God does not want to hear it, God wants the apologetic, move on, deal with it, get over it. In the real world people do not deal with loss or pain like this, neither does God, but He needs to pony up and become a good evangelical to. Truly Mr Hays the real world does not work like this, the adult world does not work like this. We are an old earth, that struggles with much. Basically Grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Linkathon 10/15 &#171; Phoenix Preacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linkathon 10/15 &#171; Phoenix Preacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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